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There was a white man that got caught calling the Black Man a nigger.
So this one is deep. This one is deep. This one is personal.
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[00:02:30] Speaker A: And welcome to another epic edition of the Talk of the Town. Now, as always, man, you're rocking with the best. It's your boy film producer Jason Slack, aka the Talk of New York.
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Exactly a month and some change away from Christmas. I just can't believe it, man. It's about to be 2024 already, you know what I'm saying? Already, man. Like, this year was like a blur. But that's what happens, man, when you're having fun and you get to talk to your fan base and you get to do what you enjoy the most, and that's chop it up with your people.
And I love it. I love it. And in saying so, it's that time of the year. As you all know, all my day one fans, you know what I'm saying? I go on break during the month of December and January. We write back at it, man. We start up a new season.
January 1 is the anniversary day of the Slackest Talk podcast, and I haven't looked.
I got to see which day that falls on. But as always, man, if not the first, we'll be back that week.
And y'all know what January is. That's Martin Luther King Week. We celebrate the man himself, Dr. Martin Luther King. That's the reason why I'm here today. That's the reason why I do what I do. And then here comes February, you know what I'm saying? Black History Month, you know what I mean? We celebrate those that contributed to the culture.
We celebrate those that made the slackest talk possible.
We celebrate those that suffered through that hard knock life so me and you can have a better life, you know what I'm saying?
I got to represent that. You know what I'm saying? As you all heard me say a million times. I continue to say those are my two favorite months here on the slackest talk, man, because it keeps me on my toes, man. I talk about people that did their thing before I was born, you know what I'm saying? So I'm forced to do my research, I'm forced to dive in, and if it sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, please believe, man, I got some old cats that's ready to get at me, you know what I mean? So just gear up for that, you know what I'm saying? In 2024, I got some surprises for you all, you know what I'm saying? I might do a whole show about that, you know what I'm saying? Before we go on our break, shout out to my vision for kids organization, November. We only celebrating one birthday so far in the organization, and that belongs to my man seven, who celebrated his third birthday this past Tuesday, you know what I'm saying? He had a party and everything. He loved it. Go over to his social media page, man. The man is on social media already, man. Show him some love, you know what I mean? That's my number one recruit.
He will be playing for Dream Elite in the future, that's for sure. That's my project, man. I got to make sure he goes to the league, you know what I mean?
That's my age right there. That's my man, you know what I mean? So shout out to seven, happy birthday. We hope you celebrated all month long and we love you here on the Slackest Talk podcast, man. So, you know, man, before we dive into our topic, man, I've been receiving a lot of shade, man. My New York jets, we lost this past Monday.
And I don't know, man, for some reason, I know it was a Monday night game and we was the only team, well, we was the only game playing as far as the NFL go that night. But for some reason, man, that game I received the most like Shade. I don't know, you know, I guess maybe because it was Monday night and all eyes on us, you know what I'm saying? I don't get it, but I want to take a minute to vent real quick, man. This quarterback situation, man, it got to go, man. It got to go.
This little small talk ain't going to do it no justice. I'm going to have to do a show on it over on the Sports core network, over on my Slack sports show.
But having no quarterback, man, is no fun. If you have an NFL team and you have a good quarterback.
You all should keep them, man. You all should keep them. All my life, being a Jet fan, there's only like maybe three years that I have experienced, like, decent quarterback. Know Bret Fahr for a year, Vinny Testaverti, Chad Pennington has some good years. You know what I'm saying? I can't front and that's about it, man. Maybe I'm missing somebody else, but that's about it.
It's no fun, like having all dogs on defense and you can't score like one single touchdown.
It's degrading, man. And it's depressing. You know what I mean? It's very depressing. So I want to help you out real quick.
If you have a good quarterback, you should keep know bottom line.
But let's dive right know I'm Duke Venon. I got that out. My know we most likely probably won't be making the playoffs yet again.
I don't know how to feel about Aaron Rodgers trying to come back. I'll talk about that later, but I'm done, man. I'm done.
We'll have the number one defense out there and stopping everybody. But as far as winning, it's crazy, man. But I'm Duke Vinning. I'm going to put that past done. I'm done. I'll be know.
Shout out to Duke, we won. And we Got some recruits coming in. But without further ado, man, let's jump straight in, man. I got a serious topic that needs to be talked about. A serious topic that needs to be addressed. And it's about the use of the word nigger.
You know what I'm saying? The use of the word nigger, basically to be nice. We call it the N word.
And is it okay to say it? When is it okay?
How is it okay? Who could do it?
That type of thing. You know what I'm saying? I want to get into that. And also there was an incident.
An incident that took place. And let's start off by talking about the incident first before we get in. Is it okay to say it and all that kind of stuff and who could do it and how and that type of thing. Let's talk about the incident.
So the incident at hand, basically was there was a situation on the job, on a job where there was a white guy and a black guy having a conversation, and it was dealing with work. It was dealing with something work related.
So basically anything work related is business. It's not personal. You know what I'm saying? It's not personal at all. So if we all know how business works and how jobs operate, which I'm sure we all do, certain people play certain roles.
You have your management, you have your supervisors, you might have your front office or whatever, different jobs, different titles, you know what I'm saying? But you got your workers, you got people in charge, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Now, just by living life and knowing how life works, you're not always going to get along with your supervisors. You're not always going to get along with the people that you work with.
That's just a part of life.
God made everybody different. Everybody's going to have different point of views. Everybody's going to have a different vision. Everybody's going to have different ideas, et cetera, et cetera. You know what I'm saying?
Sometimes two people can have two different ideas.
And the key word is sometimes two people can have two different ideas and both be right. You know what I'm saying? SOmetimes it could be a case where one person doesn't know what they're talking about or one person doesn't have the experience, you know what I'm saying?
There's all types of different point of views in different situations in life, like dealing with everything, work, sports, whatever.
There's all different types of situations, but there's a certain professionalism that you should always keep.
You understand what I'm saying?
Even if you don't get along with a person, you still got to be professional.
You could voice your opinion or maybe like your dislike or your disagreement or something like that, but you got to stay professional. You know what I'm saying?
Being professional, it's a good practice to have because when you work, and here's the thing about working and having a job, and a lot of people don't look at it like this. I know some people that do, but a lot of people don't.
When you work a job, your crew, the people that you work with, your supervisors and stuff like that, you're around that person just as much as your regular family, you know what I'm saying? Or more. Sometimes more.
Most of the time, you're around the people at your job more than you're around your family, you know what I'm saying? So it'll drive you crazy, man, not to be professional and not to take it easy and you know what I'm saying? If you don't, it's going to drive you crazy, man. You know what I'm saying?
I say that to say if you stay professional and you find a lane and you find a way to like.
If not, maybe. If not, get along.
I know it's a job. You don't have to get along. It helps a lot. It damn sure helps a lot. But you don't get paid for people to like you. I understand that. And there's a lot of people that feel that way, but it helps a lot.
But if you could find a way to stay professional and stay in your lane and be at least tolerable to other people, it'll go a long way for you.
It'll go a long way.
It'll work out a whole lot better, and it'll save, like, a lot of things. You know what I mean?
And the reason why I say that you should stay professional, the reason why I say that is because if you don't stay professional or you're a person that tries to fake it until you make know. I heard that expression A, you know, I got a partner of mine that was his favorite thing. Fake it till you make it. This is crazy, man. You know what I mean? That was his thing. Every day. Fake it till you make it. Fake it till you make it. Shout out to Byron on that one. You know who you are. I know you out there listening, but the reason why I say, like, you should be professional and make sure that you real with it, because if you're not, you go slip up one day.
You know what I'm saying?
If you faking anything in life, you go slip up one day.
You know what I'm saying?
You go out here faking every day, man. You go slip up one day like something is bound to happen.
And in this situation, it did, man. Got caught slipping.
So the situation goes. They were having a conversation, words were spoken. I don't know how to. Not sure how the conversation went or what it was about, but in this situation, it really doesn't matter.
And the conversation was done.
They had got off the phone with each other, right.
And in this particular case, after orders were given or however it went about the work situation and all that, in this particular case, there were a number of witnesses that were also on the phone call that witnessed this conversation between the two people.
So once the orders were handed out, there was a white guy who didn't like what was said or what he had to do or how the conversation went.
So he didn't like it, but he thought that he hung up the phone, and I think you probably already know where I'm going with this.
Conversation was over. He ain't like the way the conversation went. He thought he hung up his phone, but he didn't.
So you continue working or doing what you do, all the while your phone is still on, but you don't know that.
So you faking the funk. Fake it till you make it. And not being professional and not being true to who you really are.
You get to talking, and the first thing that comes out of your mouth is, man, I ain't got to listen to that nigga.
Now, my classic films, I'm going to take a page out of the Minister society book.
When my man was doing the investigation, you know you don't fucked up, right?
Yeah, you don't fucked up the whole world, or not the world, but a number of people, some of them black, heard you just call that man a nigga.
Now, it really doesn't matter, man, if you thought the phone was off or not. You know what I mean? You shouldn't be having those kind of thoughts, man.
I heard all kind of stuff that, well, it was a mistake leaving the phone on, and he was upset. He didn't know and all that kind of stuff.
The actual point is that he said it.
And not only, moreover, even worse than you saying it, it's the idea that you really feel that way.
You see, first off, some people feel the use of the N word.
The word nigger is the word nigger, regardless of who said it.
You see, number one, that's a problem, right?
You got to be realistic, and you got to be smarter than that. So a black man saying that to another black man is one thing, but you fooling yourself if you think a white man doing it is no different than black on black.
You insane? Like you're fooling yourself. You're fooling yourself. You're entirely fooling yourself.
And there's going to be people out there that's like I said, he left the phone on by accident.
He was saying that in private. He didn't think nobody was around and all that stuff.
But here's the problem, right? Here's the problem.
First off, you was the one that left the phone going on, you know what I mean? If you're doing undercover stuff and you feel like a certain type of way, you might want to police yourself a little bit better than that.
You might want to make your list and then go ahead and check it two or three times if you're living that kind of life, you know what I'm saying? Just give yourself a certain look to make sure everything is kept under the vest. That's what I would do. You know what I'm saying, if I was doing stuff like that.
Secondly, it's like even though he said it, he might have thought he was saying in private and he was saying amongst himself, people did hear it. And now that the cat is out of the bag, the question is to all the people that's been working with dude, that's been around him every day that ever came across him, you know what the question is?
How many times did you do that, dog?
How many times in your life have you really said that to somebody and the person just don't know, is this the only time ever that me and you have worked together or been on a job and you ain't like the way things going? So you said the N word. Is this the first and only time or have you been doing that?
We all know the answer to that.
He's been doing that. He was like that all along.
He was like that all along.
Now, of course, surely you all know the deal.
The people that heard him say that, of course they spoke up and they said something. They reported it.
They reported it to management, they took it to the higher ups and everything else.
Now, here's the twist. Here's the kicker. Here's what's going to blow your mind, right? Here's what's going to blow your mind after this was reported, right?
He was suspended. Get this.
He was suspended for two days.
Just two days.
Now, of course this caused an uproar that's less than a slap on the wrist.
It's next to nothing to some.
You were better off not saying nothing to them at all.
That's the law of the land. You know what I'm saying?
Now, I don't have to hawk too much on how I feel about the two day business. I think you all know.
I would like to think that I did most of my venting before this episode started earlier about my football team.
And if I started venting again, it would probably be for another hour. And I love talking to you all, but I don't want to vent for a whole hour on the show. I don't want to do that to you all, man.
I love you all too much. But you all know how I feel about that, right?
And just in case you don't know, right? Here's the problem with that.
Here's the problem with two days and him still being allowed to work, right?
Possibly, you know what I'm saying? Here's the problem with that.
This is not a situation where it just happened between two people and it could be worked out by those two people.
Or it could be, like, swept under a rug somewhere.
This is not that kind of situation.
A situation like this affects everybody.
It affects everybody.
It's bigger than what you may know it to be.
Now, check this out. This is for the people that think, okay, he just said the word nigga is no big deal, right?
Even though him being white and he said it to her. Well, he said it about a black man. He wasn't his face, nothing like that. But he was talking about a black guy, obviously, him being white. You know what I'm saying? Obviously.
Here's why. It's bigger than that, right?
It's bigger than that because everybody know about it, first and foremost. And by everybody knowing about it, he still, potentially, if it's just two days, he still has to work there, which means he still has to work with the same people.
Now, all my listeners, all my fan base, we all are smart, we all businessmen, we all got common sense. We all got all that good stuff, education, everything, right?
We still know we being the people he work with.
We still have to be around this guy.
We still got to work with him.
Every day that we get up and like I said, when I say we, I'm talking about his crew.
Every day that his crew get up and you see him, it's going to be a reminder that he said that.
You're going to know that he feels like that.
You understand what I'm saying? Because it's a big incident. It's a big issue.
Every day that you see him is going to be a reminder.
Not only that, who's going to want to be around him? Who's going to want to be around that? Who's going to accept that? Who is that going to be okay with?
How I really look at it, how I really look at it is if he can probably apologize all he want to, but how I. How I see it, and MaYbe I'm wrong, you know, some people tell me, like, I hold grudges and stuff like that. You know what I mean? So you all let me know how you all feel, right?
To me. Like, situations like that, if you apologize, right, what are you really apologizing for?
Are you apologizing because you said that and, you know, you shouldn't have said that? Or are you apologizing that you got caught?
The reason why I asked that is because if you ain't never get caught, you wouldn't have came out and said, man, you wouldn't have came out and told anybody. Like, man, I've been secretly, like, calling y'all niggas behind your back or I've been secretly using the N word. You wasn't going to do that.
This is only an issue and you only saying anything because you got caught.
Now, if I'm looking at that the wrong way, somebody need to let me know.
Now, that's the first thing.
The second thing, a situation like that like this, I don't think, well, let me ask you this way, because you got caught saying it, right.
Does that mean you don't feel that way no more?
Like, like how?
What does you getting caught have to do with how you feel on the inside?
I don't think the two go together. I don't think.
Again, you understand what I'm saying? Again, for you to continue working around these people, what did you learn?
How did your feeling or anything change because you got caught?
That's a struggle to me. That's the situation to me. That's the situation to me.
If you are a person, if you're a racist, and you could say, hey, you know what?
I took some time out. I tried to change my life around.
I went into some black neighborhoods, or I've spoken to some black people and I have talked to them and I have learned about their culture, and I've really have gotten an understanding of who they are as a person and the way they live and they upbringing and their struggles and this, that. And the third, and I really did my research and I decided that my views of life were wrong.
I was thinking that one race is better than the other. And now I See it's not.
People can change, but it's a story behind it. You know what I'm saying? You don't change because you got caught.
You know what I'm saying?
Change. In order for you to change something, it takes time.
You know what I'm saying?
For as long as you've been doing that, for however long, let's say, 2030 years, if you've been doing something for 20 or 30 years, one or two days is not going to change your mind.
You can't undo in one or two days.
You can't undo what you've been doing for 20 to 30 years.
It has to be some kind of balance.
It has to be some kind of balance.
Now, another thing that doesn't work in his favor is the point of the matter is, and it's telling all of the people that's like him, racist.
Let me stop beating around the corner and get directly to it.
So if you really take notice and you notice anything.
A racist person never actually tells the person how they feel today face.
They never do.
It never happens like that. In all my years of living, it never happens like that. What always happens is in the history of life. Now, maybe it was different before I was born. I wasn't there. I can't speak on that.
But it always happens when the racist person has some type of girlfriend or mistress or business partner and they feel like they can confide in this person.
This is my girl. This is who I go to bed with. So I could be real with her. I could tell her how I feel and everything. I ain't got to hide none. Yeah, and it's true.
Until she's not your girlfriend no more, until the money stops or whatever situation is that you got going on now, she no longer has any ties to you. She's no longer in business with you, she's no longer in your bed or whatever. So now there's no need for me to protect you. So now I'm going to hold up a mirror and I'm going to show the world who you really is.
That's how it happens. Either that some kind of camera or they get caught on tape. You know what I'm saying? In this case, it's the phone.
It's always by way of getting caught by accident or doing something stupid that they didn't think would come back and bite them.
It's never like straight up to the person's face.
Never, in this situation right here falls right in line with all the rest of that.
If you don't believe it, the former LA Clippers owner got caught. His mistress.
You know what?
Know, like, you know what?
It's out there. It's never face to face.
It is never face to face because they don't want that smoke.
But it's still being talked about. It's still being looked into. But that's got to be it. You know what I'm saying? When you do stuff like that, that's over because that's going to be an issue every day. That's going to be on people's mind every day.
It's going to overtake everything else, the business, and it's going to be personal.
He's not going to be able to be trusted no more.
People are not going to.
Something don't go his way or anything like that.
You're not going to be sure of how he's really taking it. You know what I'm saying?
Certain things, you're just not going to be able to get around and that's one of them.
Like I said, I always go back to the Clippers situation. You know what I mean?
There was no black players that was going to play for him under that circumstance.
It just wasn't going to happen. And this wasn't no different. This wasn't no different. Now, real quick, about the use of the word nigger, like how, who, when, and why. So I'm going to tell people, like, this is my rule. I live by this.
I'm 42 years old. I was born in 1981. I was not around during racism.
Well, I take that back. I'm sorry.
So racism still exists today.
You know what I'm saying?
Racism still exists today.
So I wasn't around during slavery, I meant to say, and I'm glad I caught myself, because if I didn't, I would have got a couple of phone calls right after this show for some older cats that I deal with. I would have, for show, got some phone calls on that. So I wasn't around during slavery, which, of course, I can imagine. During slavery, of course, racism was much worse. You know what I'm saying? I can Only imagine because I wasn't born right.
So I wasn't born during slavery. So here's a couple of my rules. I live by it, and it has worked for me.
I've never had any issues.
So you know who you are as a person, you know who you are.
Me, I'm humble.
I can get along with any and everybody, old, young, white, black, whether you a sports person, whether you're a doctor, whatever. You know what I'm saying? I try to get to know a little bit of everybody. I love versatility, you know what I'm saying? Anybody that know me, they know that I'm versatile, right?
And I think that's the best way to go because you can adapt to any situation, being versatile, you know how to adapt to any situation, and you know how to cater to different people.
And what that means is you pretty much know that you can't treat everybody the same. That's common sense.
So I can't talk to my homeboy that's my age, the same way I would talk to an 80 year old woman.
You understand what I'm saying? The 80 year old woman is old enough to be my mother. That 80 year old woman was around during slavery.
You understand what I'm saying? You have to treat everybody accordingly.
The use of the N word is no different. No different.
If plain and simple, I'm going to use this example. I'm going to use myself as an example. And like I said, you know yourself. You know your age, you know what you was around for. So, you know, everybody's situation is different. So I'm going to use myself as an example. I'm 40 years old, right? I'm 40, 42, to be exact.
Anybody that's 60, maybe even 50, really?
I don't call them a nigger.
I'm not going to say, hey, what's up, nigga? I'm not going to say that to them because they was around.
They probably witnessed, like, slavery. They're older than I am. They was around, and they know if you wasn't around, you being older, I would assume that you know more than I do. You know what I'm saying? You actually felt it. You actually saw it. I wasn't there, and I haven't seen it either. Neither one. I was too young for EiTher one. So I have respect for it. So anybody that's up there in age, I'm not going to talk to them like that. Now. At the same time, there's people that age that's just cool as hell.
They lived it, but they have put that part of their life behind them, and they're ready to get down like, yo, what's up, nigga? You know what I mean? Right?
If that's the case, if you find an older cat like that that talks like that, and he has put that part of his life behind him, either that or it's not important, that's cool.
But you let them say that, though, as a person being older, you let them dictate that. You understand what I'm saying. You let them make that move.
So that way you can say, okay, this is how you talk to me.
Boom, it's okay to talk to you like that. You understand what I'm saying? And that's the same thing with everybody else.
If it could be somebody 20 years old that don't like the word nigga, you still don't say that word to them.
Even if they younger, if it's their preference not to use that word, that's their preference. They have that right. So my point being, it's not an age thing.
You know what I'm saying? It's all about the situation. You have to deal with people accordingly.
If a person don't use that type of slang, then you know not to say it. If a person play with you like that, then, you know, you could play with them like that.
Now, something to look out, you know, my man Nas touched on this.
Now unfortunately, there's two types. There's the word nigger nigger.
And there's nigger nigga. In younger terms, my age and younger nigga is used to be cool. Like, what's up, nigga? Now, the G-E-R that's the slavery, you know what I'm saying? That's the racist. Now, there's older cats that, I don't care which one you talk about.
I ain't messing with neither one of them. Like, whoever use either one of them is stupid. And you got to respect that, man, because they was around them. They know where that word came from. You know what I'm saying? They saw something that you haven't seen, you know what I mean? You have to respect that. They don't like it used in music. They can't stand it, period.
So everything is accordingly. Man, you have to know your environment. You have to know who you're around, you know what I'm saying? And the easiest way, if you're not sure about the rules, I don't know if you're a person that's mixed and you, like, confused or not sure whether to use it and that type of thing.
I'll tell you the easiest way, the easiest road and the easiest way out is to probably don't say it at all.
If you don't use the word at all, you ain't never got to worry about being in this situation for it ever in life.
That's just the best way and the safest way to go. And I just want to leave you all with this.
If you out there, if you hiding something or you have some stuff that you can't say in front of everybody, so there's a reason.
There's a reason why you can't say that in front of everybody.
And if you don't do nothing else, you better remember that reason why you can't say this in front of anybody else.
This has been the slackest talk podcast, aka the talk of the town. Now, I'm your host, film producer, Jason Slack, and treat everybody accordingly, man. And remember, if you have to hide it, man, you probably shouldn't do it. Y'all be safe out there, and we'll talk again next week. Peace.
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